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ANDY WARHOL
my talking, unnil they say. Shur up,"
and then I srart thinking which can
get you in trouble, too. What I am
ying is nor high-handed When I
criticize, I am never talking about
anybody orer, in particular
achally-onl myelf.. except for
my imaginerion or your....ridine
on a train.the lost and found
when I gor there...Um, then,
February 20, 1969..the end of
criticim which she recalls in e serious
gticle about criticiam she says, "T'm
critie my self plants and
mountains .. they re all in my
head. .non
a picture postcard.
an original and I suppose it's
tnue criticism lustrates
alking about it talking about
ourselves for a change whatever
we're talking ebout is ourselrer...
how everyone else is doing it...
didn? mean to be called a critic in
the first place. three years ago I
said thar I wes a cryptic.. what I
started off wes et a dance-lover jusr
Mke that. long story
iterature aspect of it
.the
dancer
long before I was e tnie book nut...
atth ough I read plenty of book stuff
long before I was an athelete and a
Those were just
selections that I ceme across There
are a few, questions ther I would ike
to ask the panel on topics thar I hope
we will touch upon tonigh, one of
which is, wh-they re all so confusing
dancer.
wh, wh, oh, one it "How Objective
Can Crinicism Be, Anyway?" um
When Mist Johnston made thit
shift from third person to first
person, wh, was she really in on
am, and uh
things she dorsn7 wont to-1 forgot
the vision where is the vision
Awh, in 1965, wh, she was under
intensive care for, uh, for visions
she had a- Paul: Fery good
something new
Andy Warhol Factory Foto
David: who has been reviewing
dence for the Pillage Voice for ten
yeart Um. in the beginning Miss
Johnston restricted herself to feirly my mfied as anyone else Um, those
rou nine dance reviewt. Uh., after aProple in thar marvelout litle irorynever takes bways so she spared use c ll in e rece against a
David:
was doing wnining under this Dance
Column. The Villege Voice wer a
her September 16 column in 1965 in
which she wrote, "Criticiam working
out is like riding a bike up and down
...she wrote thet. "one
telling ws how she got there. what
aspect of my vision-in
quoter-"one aspect of my vision is
in the form of a command to
phantom juder I take e plot of relinquish the role of pudge."I hope
that we will get on to that topic leter
and perhaps discus her trip to Ann
Arbor, via Houston, Sante
Berbare. Lh, I would elso ike to
ank members of the panel whether
they think Min Johnston represents,
wh, future crinicim and what sort of
criticim we can look forward to, and
wh- did want to make e few
happened to her on the wer, her
trouble with the taxi driver. um-she
ahort time, wh, she brenched our to. tower orer on Sheriden Square who
wh. pare more uncomventionel
puraits Um, she was one of the first
to recognize and write about the new
forms of the medium, was one of the
earliest and imost symperhetic
interpreters of Happenings in the
theatre. Her
en intrgral part in the derelopment
ther-um she obviously saw hrr own
travelling to and from the theatre as level territory and stake out a claim
lie down on it, and crinicize
constellerion if thar's what I hapepen
to be lookinr at I abo stake out e
are so aware of what's going on
ecross the street from them,. umcqually importent es any of the t
um-it took them a couple of yearschoreography thet she ostensibly
to catch on to the fect that Jill really
we7 reriewing dence et all Around meny of the prople here are cleim to be an tist- writier
1966 or 1967 they decided afterinterested in Miss Johnston's personal
months of contemplanion to change
the title of her cohmn. They decided calls over the lest few weeks to, uh.something well enough to sey what I
to call it Dance Journel-anget certain fects on her, but I think I
went to reiew I don 't know how
ther's what I'm doing when I get to
biography. I're mede several phone the typewriter and decide thet I Nike
itical writings pleved
think it's all abour." Um, 1968 she
end flowering of the Judson Dance hious wond thet dorsn't sound in thet for mow Um I would said. " ake to think the critic is a
remarks abour the merirs and
demerits of crinieism, but I think I
let thet pan for now I'm nre it will
come our soon enough. So, I
like To sry that, um, wh,-ebout her corporate sensibility Ideelly the
writing-it really i quite, uh. critic would be a transparent medium
never really specialized in so-called
avant-gerde or underground
actirities never felt comnelled tod
worry about what wes going to be
the going thing during the coming
Sreson, uh,-in fect she wer often
uneware of wher was ostensibly
avant-garde. The reason that we do
par so mwch ertention to her
tomight and erery night-is that her
past writings hare prored to be so
as if ir has anything to do with
riticism at all. Um. so we're here to
discuss the personal and professional real-her writing tyle is compareble giving off vopors of idras and
egration, um um-/ begin to water from a faucet. Um, she temsopinions, constantly clesping to itsinterview the panel beginning from
my left Ar my extreme left we
have-this ise very distinguished
panel by the way MOt 4
distinguished as the audience-we
have to distinguish ourselves-at our
extreme left we have Welter Gutman
Walter received a great deal of
the personaf first. ould a dur er the Voice end, um, efter a
body the streams of comments of
cocktail parties To mean exacrly
it on a few hours before her column
-meybe I
probebly more
couple of hours she turns it off Uh.whar you say that I mean, is to say
begin with professional, um, oh, wm
well Aenvally, she began wrining she mekes very few revisions. In her
this autobiography, um sparing usc
very little of her personel life, though Yow might get the impression that
not giving us enough of the deteils so
thar I mean exactly what you sey
, or any other
wariations on the phnase expressing
the usion of the single mentality
that you mean
column she talks abour notebooks
she takes notes Uh, I have seen her
prophetic thar we can'r really imore really meke sense out of her column w bonk, elthough she it
Aer Howerer, during recent vears,
her writing has become
increasingly-erotic. Her writing has
becume increesinglr congrsted inprople's beharior ar paries and hermany of the people here know all
rle. extremely subjective inPerceptive conements on English about her stvle, so I won't go into
contewt, enorwowaly subtuitows in its
loric. It wowld appear thot she har
disintegrated personally end
professionglly on an enormors scale.
Quite lme apo as long aro as I can
Prcall in fact she certed fenling an
obligetion to renort on dce
comeertt Lur, mo one can Mame her inglar As she began wrininr abouti now thar it ise 7 whar ir was to
fer not ogwrag to waste her time
the Jame end notoriety a few years back
which caused him to be profled in
I am
Collecting marbles, and
Um, uh. her writing around the uuelly writing down rery elementary
wid Sixties begaw to include her things ike. wh. "Max"-M A-X
sharply critical observations of apostrophe-S U, presume that
critic is a scaenger of the junk gater
of the mind, strung our from house
the New Yorker magezine
to house in the Telepathy of rery happy to say have been
-1
connected-connecting clotheslines,eprinted by Grove Press
sorting our sigmals, selecting and received my copy two days aro-a
I recommend it
rvellous book
cathedrals anmd lesbian mories and
any mumber of other ubiecrs thet
eppeal to her She gave up any gire her one of its dubiousproblem You coan see that she real reason Walter wes chosen for this
pretense of the third-person achievement awerds. giring her the
detachment that charecterizes most
personal writing and began making
intensire usr of the first-person
har, because I would like to mentión
that Esquire megezine last veer did
conjecting, separating the pages beck
fogether is simply a compositional you all-look at it-Welter is-the
received ten dollars on that cobemn panel it that he was a former ars
Um, in Norember 7, 1968, she wrote. crinie fifty or sixty years ago, and
"Oh. Shwt Up"Prize for the sentence
which reads. "Telling it Mke it is"
means Yelline it Nke it wes and how
um alho a painter and a filmmeker
"One of my preferences is to write
about single things for each column whose career in 10 colled
ike to work out a single thing into eunderground films goes beck
mess of stuff about that single thine. next to Walter is Lil Picard, an grtir
I'm not crazy about trying to make eand writer and art critic of the East
single thing out of e mess of stuff Village Other
Nor am 1...." Paul: Ne na na ne Happenings lately and is
rery good David: One of her most destructionist are and street works
luminating
her incredible life in weektr the I Now Peonle" Um t dom
installments, she rerealed to us have-I spent the last months going
cliff-henger sich as we hed nor seen throuph Jll Johnston'y columes, and
since he Perils of Paubne Um, her hare recalled a few sentences that
witing had aluers tended toward the
sibjectine and in retrosprct it was
alwars entobiographical She bject which clarifies what follows appeared this yerer-Jonugry 20. fescinatine show for this week's East
conldn't reriew cohcert withourlater Uh, the first one was wrirten in
Ld has done many
rertewing the great wumber of
corenional dance comcerts ther
take place in de city. Howrer. her
coluts hod, wh, so ittle to do with
Janer eren the rather fer. fer-ot
daner that she had promoted that i
Avcoe quesioneble u what e
into
she has written on crinicism and P
she has written
pieces on criticism
wowld ike to read them It's a timely
1969 enjor telking for the sake of Village Other which some of you
may have soon Itting to the
ANDY
WARHOL
my
talking,
unnil
they
say.
Shur
up,"
and
then
I
srart
thinking
which
can
get
you
in
trouble,
too.
What
am
ying
is
nor
high-handed
When
criticize,
never
talking
about
anybody
orer,
particular
achally-onl
myelf..
except
for
imaginerion
or
your....ridine
on
a
train.the
lost
found
when
gor
there...Um,
then,
February
20,
1969..the
end
of
criticim
she
recalls
e
serious
gticle
criticiam
says,
"T'm
critie
self
plants
mountains
..
re
all
head.
.non
picture
postcard.
an
original
suppose
it's
tnue
criticism
lustrates
alking
it
ourselves
change
whatever
we're
ebout
ourselrer...
how
everyone
else
doing
it...
didn?
mean
to
be
called
critic
the
first
place.
three
years
ago
said
thar
wes
cryptic..
what
started
off
et
dance-lover
jusr
Mke
that.
long
story
iterature
aspect
.the
dancer
before
was
tnie
book
nut...
atth
ough
read
plenty
stuff
athelete
Those
were
just
selections
that
ceme
across
There
are
few,
questions
ther
would
ike
ask
panel
topics
hope
we
will
touch
upon
tonigh,
one
is,
wh-they
so
confusing
dancer.
wh,
oh,
"How
Objective
Can
Crinicism
Be,
Anyway?"
um
Mist
Johnston
made
thit
shift
from
third
person
person,
really
am,
uh
things
dorsn7
wont
to-1
forgot
vision
where
Awh,
1965,
under
intensive
care
for,
uh,
visions
had
a-
Paul:
Fery
good
something
new
Andy
Warhol
Factory
Foto
David:
who
has
been
reviewing
dence
Pillage
Voice
ten
yeart
Um.
beginning
Miss
restricted
herself
feirly
mfied
as
anyone
Um,
those
rou
nine
dance
reviewt.
Uh.,
after
aProple
marvelout
litle
irorynever
takes
bways
spared
ll
this
Dance
The
Villege
her
wrote,
"Criticiam
working
out
like
riding
bike
up
down
...she
wrote
thet.
telling
got
vision-in
quoter-"one
form
command
topic
leter
perhaps
discus
trip
Ann
Arbor,
via
Houston,
Sante
Berbare.
Lh,
elso
ank
members
whether
think
Min
represents,
future
crinicim
sort
look
forward
to,
wh-
did
want
make
few
happened
wer,
trouble
with
taxi
driver.
um-she
ahort
time,
brenched
our
orer
Square
wh.
pare
uncomventionel
puraits
recognize
write
forms
earliest
imost
symperhetic
theatre.
en
intrgral
part
obviously
theatre
territory
claim
lie
crinicize
constellerion
if
thar's
lookinr
at
aware
what's
going
ecross
street
them,.
umcqually
importent
es
any
t
um-it
took
them
couple
yearschoreography
thet
ostensibly
catch
fect
Jill
we7
reriewing
Around
meny
prople
here
cleim
tist-
writier
1966
1967
decided
afterinterested
Johnston's
personal
months
contemplanion
title
cohmn.
They
calls
over
lest
weeks
uh.something
well
enough
sey
call
Journel-anget
certain
fects
her,
but
went
reiew
don
't
know
ther's
I'm
biography.
I're
mede
several
phone
typewriter
decide
Nike
itical
writings
pleved
abour."
1968
flowering
Judson
hious
wond
dorsn't
sound
mow
Um
said.
"
ake
remarks
abour
merirs
demerits
crinieism,
let
pan
now
nre
come
soon
enough.
So,
To
sry
that,
um,
wh,-ebout
corporate
sensibility
Ideelly
writing-it
i
quite,
uh.
transparent
medium
specialized
so-called
avant-gerde
underground
actirities
felt
comnelled
tod
worry
thing
during
coming
Sreson,
uh,-in
wer
often
uneware
wher
avant-garde.
reason
do
par
mwch
ertention
tomight
erery
night-is
past
hare
prored
ir
anything
riticism
all.
discuss
professional
real-her
writing
tyle
compareble
giving
vopors
idras
egration,
um-/
begin
water
faucet.
temsopinions,
constantly
clesping
itsinterview
left
Ar
extreme
have-this
ise
very
distinguished
by
way
MOt
4
audience-we
have
distinguish
ourselves-at
Welter
Gutman
Walter
received
great
deal
personaf
first.
ould
dur
er
end,
efter
body
streams
comments
cocktail
parties
exacrly
hours
column
-meybe
probebly
more
turns
Uh.whar
say
mean,
professional,
wm
Aenvally,
began
wrining
mekes
revisions.
In
autobiography,
sparing
usc
little
personel
life,
though
Yow
might
impression
not
us
deteils
exactly
,
other
wariations
phnase
expressing
usion